Clojure for Java Programmers Part 1 - Rich Hickey

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Strong rec Jach · 2013-07 · on “How do I “think in AngularJS” if I have a jQuery background?”

Indeed. Rich Hickey's 2-part presentation on "Clojure for Java Programmers" was a really slick presentation of a Lisp. (Focusing on the 'code is data' aspect from the beginning (at least once he starts talking about the language specifics themselves, he does spend a while motivating dynamic languages) rather than talking a lot about just higher order functions and macros and so on. He goes over the evaluation model and its difference from a Java/C++ model, he shows how to interop with Java... It's just a great talk.) Part 1: [this video] Part 2: [LINK] Slides: [LINK]

Recommends greggyb · 2022-01 · on “Understanding the Power of Lisp (2020)”

> So that's how I view Lisp macros - creating code on the fly and executing it. This is an incorrect assumption. In compiled Lisps[0], macros are a compile-time construct, which manipulate the data structures that represent your code[1]. All manipulation occurs at compile-time. In interpreted Lisps, macro evaluation is temporally intertwined with program execution, but the two phases are logically distinct. [0]: Compilation time in a Lisp is not necessarily similar to compilation in other languages. Working at a REPL does not imply that interpretation is happening. Clojure is an example of a Lisp that is exclusively compiled. Even when sending individual expressions to the REPL, they are com

Cites istvan__ · 2015-07 · on “John Carmack working on Scheme as a VR scripting language”

Same here, I never understood Java interfaces, abstract classes, and a ton of other "features" but picking up Clojure was a breeze. I don't understand why complicating thing that supposed to be simple helps you by any mean. On the top of that, I have seen several cases when Java programmers tipped over in their own code because of the complexity that they thought they understand, except there was a particular case when it was doing something else then expected. Reasoning about Clojure (LISP) code is always easy because if you follow best practices you have small functions with very little context to understand. On the top of these, I see the ratio of LOC 50:1 (worst case even higher) for Jav

Cites pgt · 2020-10 · on “An Intuition for Lisp Syntax”

Lisp has only one rule called the Operational Form: (operator arg1 arg2 arg3 ...) The Operational Form is just a list denoted by parentheses. The operation or 'function' comes first, followed by its arguments or operands, e.g. (+ 1 2 3) => 6 The + symbol resolves to the plus function and is passed in the arguments 1, 2 and 3. Nested forms are evaluated inside-out: (+ 5 (- 10 6)) => 9 Traditionally, Lisp only has one data literal: `(linked lists)`, but Clojure adds `[square brackets for vectors]` and `{:curly brackets}` for hash maps. The colon denotes a keyword, which is a symbol which only ever resolves to itself and is commonly used for labeling things, e.g. keys in a map. Notice how the o

Cites Jach · 2020-12 · on “State of Common Lisp Survey 2020”

> I'm explaining why Lisp is hard to learn. It is not hard to learn in general, there are too many counterexamples of people of all sorts and skills learning it without these issues you are having, learning it as their first, learning it later in their careers... (CL is big , I'll give you that, but each piece can be chewed one at a time and does not seem to be individually that difficult.) So I can hypothesize why it's hard to learn for you . My first guess is still that you aren't meeting Lisp in its own terms and are trying to make Lisp fit your mental model of some other language and its ecosystem. This isn't going to work, and the failure mode (if I'm right) has nothing to do with Lisp

Cites greggyb · 2022-01 · on “Understanding the Power of Lisp (2020)”

From a Clojure perspective, here are a few things to think about and explore to help understand where the power and value of macros lie. 1. Clojure does not have all of its various conditionals as language built-ins. There is a single conditional construct built in to the language, if. The rest are all defined in terms of if. Function arguments are eagerly evaluated in Clojure. How do you write a short-circuiting function in Clojure? (when predicate consequent) as a function must evaluate both the predicate and the consequent. If consequent is slow to calculate then your whole when expression is as slow as consequent, even if predicate is false and we do not need consequent. when is a Clojur