The Voting System That Gives You Two Votes

CGP Grey · 3.1M views · 2011 · 4:29

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Why Hacker News recommends it

It is the go-to short explainer HN links when voting system alternatives, MMP or German-style elections come up.

What it is

CGP Grey explains Mixed-Member Proportional representation, the system used in New Zealand where voters get two votes. It covers how it differs from first-past-the-post.

Recommended by 5 HN commenters across 5 different months, 2012 to 2026.

What Hacker News said

Recommends LoonyBalloony · 2017-02 · on “Robots Aren’t Killing the American Dream”

Elections were (IMO) meant to be bloodless revolutions. its just the 1% has captured both primary political parties. Also, the flawed first past the post electoral system discourages competition (IMO to keep it cheaper for the 1% to own the whole process). I'll post some videos from people smarter then me: [LINK] [LINK] [LINK] [LINK] [LINK] [this video]

Recommends namlem · 2018-04 · on “EU copyright proposal could undermine the use of Creative Commons licenses”

New Zealand has mixed member proportional representation, which is explained well in this video: [this video] The US's political system is extremely antiquated, and is not at all appropriate for a post-industrial economy. We do have a few nice things though, like a very strong protection for speech. Arguably too strong right now though, as it gives corporations nearly unlimited rights to influence elections.

Recommends thelasthuman · 2018-11 · on “The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgotten by the Public”

Elections are supposed to be bloodless revolutions. If you can't effect change through the electoral system, then the non violent solution is to revolutionize how we vote. Relevant videos (IMO) First Past The Post Voting - [LINK] Range Voting - [LINK] Single Transferable Vote - [LINK] Alternative Vote - [LINK] Mixed-Member Proportional Representation - [this video] Bonus video This video will make you angry - [LINK]

Recommends cgrealy · 2019-10 · on “Ranked-choice voting is on the ballot in New York City”

New Zealand uses Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) voting. IMO, it's the most representative voting system, precisely because it encourages smaller parties, and essentially forces coalitions. It's a bit complicated, but people are very used to it now. CGP Grey has a great video on it [this video]

Recommends sfRattan · 2026-06 · on “Show HN: Gerrymandle - Daily puzzle game where you redraw electoral districts”

Germany uses mixed-member proportional representation. You cast two votes in each Federal election: one vote for a registered political party at the federal level and one vote for among a list of local candidates from those parties. The ballots famously have the phrase "You have 2 voices/votes" ("Sie haben 2 Stimmen") on the top [1]. The seats in the Bundestag are parceled out in proportion to shares of the national vote among federally recognized parties, and each party has a list of candidates who may or may not get a seat from that party's resulting allotment, based in part on the popularity of those candidates in their local list elections. The math of it is a bit more complicated than t

Cites mmphosis · 2012-11 · on “Voting is a Sham Mathematically Speaking”

Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) Representation solves some of the problems. [this video] The problem with MMP is when the parties choose the ranking of their list of representatives. I think it would be even better if rather than use a party generated list, instead the representatives are determined by people's votes.

Cites dkhenry · 2013-01 · on “Hollingsworth for US Senate 2014, implementing direct democracy”

I think we could come together with both Ideas and make a system that works. I like some aspects of your plan , but I would want to see a few modifications. Your extending into voting systems as well and I don't necessarily think your doing it the best way , but i _love_ the idea your putting forth. Edit: So i realise why I like aspects of your proposal. Because it has a few of the principles of the Mixed-Member proportional [0] System mixed into it. I like MMP I really like it. I think that combined with a radical expansion of the number of representatives ( I think we should be closer to 100k then 500k, maybe as low as 50k ) would allow us to do many amazing things as a country. Also I wou

Cites TheLegace · 2013-10 · on “9/11 Suspects Can’t Mention being Tortured during Trial because Classified”

I agree it's the problem in Canada as well. For the first time a third party was able to come ahead of one of the two parties, but this had disastrous effects as it provided the opposition party a majority government and overall weakened the power of the center-left and left. And right now I have to decide if my vote will mean anything if I vote for the third party. The third party's platform will be mixed proportional representation. Which I hope we see one day so maybe this won't be such an issue any more. [this video]