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Why Hacker News recommends it
HN commenters in H-1B debates post it as evidence that the labor-market test is gamed with fake job ads.
What it is
A 2007 clip in which immigration attorneys describe how they help employers run classified ads designed not to find qualified American applicants, so they can secure green cards for H-1B workers. It is presented as an exposé of the PERM process.
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What Hacker News said
Critical rdtsc · 2011-12 · on “The No-Brainer Issue of the Year: Let High-Skill Immigrants Stay”
It's a cost issue usually disguised as a "skilled immigrant" issue. Large companies want technical workers (the new miners and factory workers) who are willing to accept a much lower wage than native workers. So when they talk about "skilled" they usually mean "skilled and willing to work for $40k/year instead of $80k/year". Just look at how many H1B positions are advertised and how much legal but shady stuff goes on. Put ad in local paper among classifieds for "free dirt available", if any resumes are received from US citizens they are discarded (note they have to be "considered" but not accepted), and so on. If it was just about "skills" there would be no need for this shit to go on. [VIDE
Critical GNUAerospace · 2012-10 · on “America to immigrants: keep your entrepreneurs”
“H-1B workers may be hired even when a qualified US worker wants the job, and a US worker can be displaced from the job in favor of the foreign worker.” US Department of Labor The US government and corporations have sold you out as a US CITIZEN. See the proof [this video] ;
Critical aspensmonster · 2013-05 · on “Elon Musk quits Zuckerberg's immigration advocacy group”
The devil is in the details. What constitutes a "skilled" worker? The selling point of the H-1B program was that there really were high-paying jobs available that absolutely nobody state side was stepping up to the plate for, so they needed to bring in skilled immigrants who had the chops to take on these high-paying jobs. The imagery was that America's Best Companies were stalling because they couldn't find the "best and brightest." Evidence suggests otherwise ( [LINK] ). Now, I'm not saying you can't find H-1Bs with high salaries or genius intellects. The study linked simply says it's not a majority of the people coming in. Most of them are decidedly not "best and brightest" and certainly
Critical FLUX-YOU · 2014-03 · on “Google’s Schmidt Says Inequality Will Be Number One Issue For Democracies”
Look, Schmidt is just another Obama-tomaton. We can clearly see that here: "Schmidt was a campaign advisor and major donor to Barack Obama and served on Google’s government relations team."[0] It's purdy darn clear that Schmidtty was going to be more useful outside of the government, safe inside of Google's bunkers. Whatever Schmidty might say to the public, he's sitting on his nice little nest egg in the event that TSHTF[1]. He has an escape plan and possibly a security detail and a private jet to get the hell out. Probably has a few panic rooms built into that $22 million home of his[2]. >"His new home in Holmby Hills, an exclusive enclave that is one of three neighborhoods forming Los Ang
Critical gopher1 · 2014-04 · on “Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)”
Yeah, exactly, and even though you're technically prohibited from excluding Americans in the job ads, take it from Cohen & Grigsby, there's plenty of ways around that problem: [this video] They'll teach you how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified American applicants. You can thank them directly here: [LINK]
Critical Torgo · 2014-12 · on “Immigration is about talent, not costs”
To support his claim here's a video of a law firm advising companies on exactly how to craft employment ads to hire only foreign workers and not hire Americans even if they are qualified. In fact he even says it explicitly, the goal is to not hire a domestic worker, and getting a suitably experienced domestic worker applying for the job is considered a failure state of the process. [this video] It tells you where to place your ads so that they are "publicly visible" but nobody sees them, and how to craft them to the exact skillset of the foreign worker you're already going to hire. They say that they are complying with the letter of the law, but they are not because the law requires you to make a
Critical anjc · 2014-12 · on “Immigration is about talent, not costs”
There's lots of evidence out there. Probably the most obvious signal for you should be that companies are complaining about a lack of workers, but wages are stagnant. Or another signal might be the fact that 50% of STEM grads have to work in unrelated industries because of an inability to find work in tech. If you want more proof of funniness: [this video] Or if you want proof of major tech companies in the US colluding to suppress wages, look up everything related to this: [LINK] If you want proof of US companies paying slave wages in the US, etc etc. The funniness goes on and on.
Critical ConfuciusSay · 2015-09 · on “Infosys says cleared in U.S. visa probe by Labor Department”
Companies post fake ads that they never respond to in order to be "in compliance" with visa rules. Lawyers help them in their deception: [this video]