Lufthansa A380 is UNABLE TO LAND AT JFK and ends up diverting!
Why Aviation Stack Exchange recommends it
Aviation Stack Exchange users link it as a real-world case study of a heavy A380 being denied a longer runway and diverting, in answers and questions about holding limits and JFK runway choices.
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What it is
VASAviation's 12-minute video plays the real ATC audio of Lufthansa flight LH400, an A380, as it holds near New York and is ultimately unable to land at JFK. It diverts to Philadelphia after the controller declines to switch runway configuration. The clip is narrated with on-screen annotations of the radio exchanges.
What people said
Cites pr1268 · 2018-06 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Why is there such a long displaced threshold on 22R at JFK/KJFK?”
This video [this video] seems to raise a whole bunch of questions, but here's one I have: Why such a long displaced landing threshold on 22R at JFK/KJFK [LINK] ? (Scroll down to the 4L/22R section for details.) Certainly Rockaway Blvd. is sufficiently distant from the end of the pavement (TODA) to allow closer landings. And further upstream from that is Idlewild Park [LINK] . No residential areas for a good distance away from that runway. That's a 3425-ft. displaced threshold on a 12079-ft. runway. Is that some sort of record? ;-)
Cites Harper - Reinstate Monica · 2019-03 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “What is the maximum holding time?”
Actually that happened recently. For operational/load reasons, JFK needed to use tailwind landing runways, making them too short for the weight of an A380. The A380 asked controllers for a more suitable runway but they were unable to break the flow enough to allow that. (I also wonder if this A380 pilot was conservative, and other A380s were landing while he orbited. Perhaps his particular plane was heavy.) The A380 clearly communicated their time available for holding before they needed to divert. As that time grew closer, controllers said "ain't gonna happen" and they diverted. Anyway, there you see the mechanism: the pilots plan a divert, and from that, they look at fuel and decide how lo
Cites Vikki · 2021-11 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Why did KJFK keep using runways 22R/L here instead of switching to 13R/L?”
In this [this video] YouTube video, one can see the arrival at KJFK, holding patterns, and eventual diversion to KPHL of LH400, an A380. When LH400 arrives in the New York area, the pilots request the use of runway 13R, the longest runway at the airport, since, with the runways wet from bad weather, their aircraft is too heavy to safely use any of the others, and the winds (from headings in the 100-130 range, at 15 knots gusting to 28 or so) are better aligned with runways 13R/L than with any of the other runways. However, KJFK is operating with runways 22R/L, and the approach controller refuses to switch to 13 ops to allow the A380 to land. Part of the justification given for this is that the ba