The Dumbest Excuse for Bad Cities

Not Just Bikes · 3.1M views · 2023 · 13:00

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Why Hacker News recommends it

HN users cite it as the standard rebuttal whenever someone says that America is too big for rail or good urban design.

What it is

Not Just Bikes takes on the common excuse that a country is simply too big or spread out for good transit and walkable cities. The video argues that city density and short everyday trips matter, not national size or overall population density.

Recommended by 4 HN commenters across 4 different months, 2023 to 2026.

What Hacker News said

Recommends jtakkala · 2023-06 · on “Maps Distort How We See the World”

The size of Canada really isn’t a valid excuse for Canada’s poor public transit, nor is Canada’s population. Notjustbikes posted a good video rebutting this argument a few days ago: [this video]

Recommends pierat · 2023-08 · on “Armed with traffic cones, protesters are immobilizing driverless cars”

HAH that is one of the most ridiculous excuses... and is also directly refuted: [this video] ^^ "Not Just Bikes"

Recommends sofixa · 2024-03 · on “Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old Assembly Line”

This argument is just.... wrong. For a video describing how wrong it is, refer to Not Just Bikes: [this video] For text and numbers: Shenzhen urban area is 1,748 km2. Atlanta is 353.04km2. Los Angeles City is 1,299 km2 (yes the metro area is quite larger, but so is Shenzhen's). The average length of a trip in the US is 19.63 km. This is simple basic stuff. There is absolutely nothing that makes Americans uniquely need tank-sized vehicles with 1000km range, even with the uniquely terrible urban design that most American cities have.

Recommends CalRobert · 2026-01 · on “London became the rest of the startup capital”

This is irrelevant, though, since the size of the country isn’t what determines where people go. It’s not like trains got less practical when Alaska got admitted to the union. Sprawling, low density, single use zoning, combined with parking minimums, have much more to do with it. Here’s a video that explores the topic if you’re curious [this video]

Cites throw0101a · 2023-08 · on “Driving is more expensive than you think (2020)”

> NL is an easy case to make though: super densely populated so there is a large tax base for such projects. See "The Dumbest Excuse for Bad Cities": * [this video] We don't care about the densities of entire countries, we care about the densities of where people live: cities. For the US, 40% of the population lives in counties on a coast: * [LINK] 200M people live with-in 100 mi (160 km) of a border: * [LINK] The US population is already highly concentrated: * [LINK] * [LINK] There are large swaths of the US where there's a whole lotta nothing (population-wise).

Cites jodrellblank · 2023-08 · on “Texas could get a bullet train between Houston and Dallas”

There are several talking points mentioned in this thread that are explored more on the NotJustBikes YouTube Channel. - When Canada built a relatively recent urban rail to Toronto, they built it so you have to drive to the train station , and used the high value land right around the station for ... surface car parking. This is absurdly wasteful of valuable real estate and makes the expensive train add much less value to the people. Also the train only runs around rush hours, making it useless for almost anyone who isn't driving to the train for a commute to work. "The Trains that Subsidize Suburbia - GO Transit Commuter Rail" - [LINK] - "Why city design is import (and why I hate Houston)" [

Cites Mawr · 2023-10 · on “Cruise pauses driverless operations across all cities”

> A bicycle is trash (fun to ride, not that useful). Entirely dependent on the infrastructure: [LINK] > What are you going to carry on your bike? Five bags? Seems like a lot of groceries to buy at a time, but if you really want to: [LINK] > I don’t want to go 5 miles away, I want to go 200. You cover 200 miles every day? [this video] Regardless, you can own a car for those longer journeys just fine and still make most trips by bicycle. > With bikes and walking, your world is small. Yeah, that's why public transport is important too. Cars as well, although deprioritized. > Electric cars powered by renewable energy get rid of most of the negative externalities. They get rid of some of the noise and

Cites rglullis · 2025-09 · on “Why, as a responsible adult, SimCity 2000 hits differently”

> Most American cities are built on a scale designed around human driving. That's absolutely not true. It only became true in the post-war when there was a push for suburban sprawl, lobbied by GM and all the auto industry [0] > it's pretty safe to bet that she doesn't think that she can live where she does without a car. "Where there is a will, there is a way", right? The discussion is not even if she can go by without a car, but whether she would want it. > We can't even manage the political will to build enough housing to keep people off the streets. Ok, but then don't go around trying to rationalize your bad choices and poor capacity for civic organization. [1] Don't go around saying "I l