golden balls. the weirdest split or steal ever!

spinout3 · 15.1M views · 2012 · 6:25

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Why Hacker News recommends it

The canonical real-world example in game theory discussions of manipulating a prisoner's dilemma.

What it is

A Golden Balls episode in which one contestant announces he will steal, leading to an unexpected outcome in the split-or-steal prisoner's dilemma.

Recommended by 5 HN commenters across 5 different months, 2012 to 2025.

What Hacker News said

Strong rec surreal · 2014-10 · on “Rock Paper Scissors Programming Competition”

This is the most clever I've seen: [this video] He ensures his opponent has nothing to gain from defecting... (Rules etc until 2m 30s, then the game)

Strong rec hcarvalhoalves · 2016-09 · on “What is the Nash Equilibrium and why does it matter?”

If you find this article interesting, Coursera's "Competitive Strategy" [1] is a pretty good introduction on the topic of game theory and how it can be used as a decision-making framework for business, I've found. As a case study, I recommend watching this episode of "Golden Balls" [2], which shows how a player can manipulate a game outcome and defeat the natural Nash equilibria. This is a classic IMO. [1] [LINK] [2] [this video]

Strong rec gcanyon · 2025-05 · on “Game theory illustrated by an animated cartoon game”

No conversation on game theory is complete until someone brings up Golden Balls, and in particular this amazing moment (warning: terrible audio quality). [this video]

Recommends J-dawg · 2016-01 · on “The pirate game”

This clip [1], from the UK game show "Golden Balls", is a very entertaining example of a two-player zero-sum game EDIT: As explained in the replies, this is not actually a zero-sum game. [1] [this video]

Recommends satori99 · 2019-11 · on “Paradoxical Geniuses: “Let us burn the ships” (2017)”

There is great demonstration of this in action on a British game show with the players being in a prisoners dilemma situation; [this video]

Cites neilk · 2012-05 · on “Iterated prisoner's dilemma contains evolutionary opponent dominating strategies”

Could we say that this famous episode of Golden Balls demonstrates a simple application the idea? Quote: "You're about to walk away with my money because you're an idiot." [this video]

Cites emmelaich · 2012-08 · on “The Emerging Revolution in Game Theory”

Sort of related in that it pertains to Prisoner's Dilemma, and suggested to some that there is a 'solution' to PD: [LINK] The relevant vid link within: [this video]

Cites tonglil · 2014-11 · on “If you use a Mac or Android, e-commerce sites may be charging you more”

This type of thinking reminds me of the show Golden Balls: two parties get the same thing or no one gets anything at all. [this video]