Marxism: Zizek/Peterson: Official Video

Jordan B Peterson · 4.7M views · 2019 · 2:45:33

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Why Hacker News recommends it

HN uses it as a reference for Zizek's views and as an exercise in critical thinking, not as a strong recommendation.

What it is

A roughly 2.5-hour Toronto debate between Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Zizek on happiness under Marxism versus capitalism. This is the official upload from April 2019.

Recommended by 1 HN commenters across 1 different months, 2019 to 2021.

What Hacker News said

Recommends nbzso · 2021-01 · on “YouTube suspends Donald Trump's channel”

The problem for me is ignoring the idea of debating with the intent to find the middle ground for common good. Populism is not invented by Trump or the radical right. Populism is an instrument for ignoring the debate by giving an "accessible storyline" to the people. You can exercise your critical thinking by listening to these two gentlemen. [this video]

Cites undershirt · 2019-10 · on “Collapse OS”

Definitely, the Green Revolution et al is a solid basis for optimism, especially with Ehrlich losing his wager on resource scarcity. And I do like the malthusian lineage you described. This empirical optimism is also paradoxically irreverent toward the immutable attrition of complexity. Our creativity has limits, whatever they are just pick something. At the risk of sounding flippant, 200 years of “creative patching” is historically too small a window to say we can continue subverting this “law” with eternal vigilance (I’ve heard this described as “we are running out of tricks”). Maybe I’m oversimplifying when I say we would have to approach the limit of absolute foresight to achieve this, b

Cites aspenmayer · 2020-04 · on “Education Without Truth in Postmodern Perspectivism”

Background prior to debate[1]: "During an event at the Cambridge Union Society in November 2018, Žižek had called Peterson's work "pseudo-scientific", labeled him as his "enemy" and criticized Peterson's work on the idea of cultural Marxism. Peterson said he could meet "any time, any place" to debate and it was announced on February 28, 2019 that the debate was scheduled for April 19. The two professors before had argued against happiness as something one should pursue. Peterson had said people should seek meaning through personal responsibility and Žižek had said happiness is pointless and delusional."[1] Debate itself[2][3]: "...In a similar fashion, Žižek asked Peterson to name him person