Jordan Peterson - Women in High Paying Jobs

Bite-sized Philosophy · 1.9M views · 2017 · 11:38

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Why Hacker News recommends it

HN cites it in threads on gender gaps in tech and law, though some commenters point to a longer Peterson video for the full argument.

What it is

A clip of psychologist Jordan Peterson discussing why few women reach high-paying, high-pressure jobs. He talks about the tension between a demanding career and having a family.

Recommended by 1 HN commenters across 2 different months, 2017 to 2022.

What Hacker News said

Recommends skore · 2017-07 · on “The real reason women freeze their eggs”

I think Jordan Peterson had one of the best takes on why successful women struggle to make both a family and a career happen and why so many screech their careers to a halt when they hit 30: [this video]

Recommends skore · 2017-08 · on “Why Women Leave Engineering (2011) [pdf]”

I found this longer video of his on the same subject to be better at explaining the nuances of his viewpoint: [this video]

Cites mpweiher · 2017-08 · on “Outraged about the Google diversity memo?”

Certainly much better than a lot of the outrage that's been going on. A couple of nits: > I know most of Google’s work is people-centric. Hmmm...is that really so? Last I checked a lot of Google's code output and value-generation is backend-y, with very little interaction with humans. Google is also notoriously bad-mediocre at UX, though this has improved lately. > Assuming that job skills and performance can be deduced from > differences among demographic groups. Hmm...he didn't do this, and in fact explicitly states that doing so is not correct. > Damore naturally assumes the differences between > typically female and male traits mean that men are more skilled. I also didn't see that in th

Cites mpweiher · 2017-09 · on “How Top U.S. Law Firms Get Away with Paying Women Less”

"...Two retired women partners at the firm have joined her lawsuit, but a larger number of current women partners have actually condemned it." So it's not "law firms vs. women", more women actually support the law firm in this case. Of course that's not proof of anything, but it does suggest it could simply be a normal case of people disagreeing about compensation. In these sorts of cases, you tend to go for any "weapon" you can, and "discrimination" is a pretty powerful one, even if there's nothing to it. Of course the stats don't look good, but we all should know that correlation ≠ causation. Jordan Peterson, who apparently works with law firms, gives a very different reason: [this video] TL;DW

Cites pjscott · 2017-11 · on “Lessons of an MIT Education”

I was curious to see if he'd actually said that or if you were misrepresenting a more reasonable claim. I'm not familiar with Jordan Peterson but managed to find this video: [this video] ... in which he says that high-powered careers are very unpleasant due to hyper-competition among people who are exceptionally willing to tilt their work-life balance way toward work, and that most (but not all) of such people are men. Which doesn't sound like that unusual a claim, really: it's a fairly mainstream belief that women average more family-focused than men, and you only need a small difference in means between populations to get a big difference in representation at the far tails of a trait's probabil

Cites elliekelly · 2018-11 · on “Fearful of bias, Google blocks gender-based pronouns from new AI tool”

"It's a very rare woman who at the age of 30 doesn't consider having a child her primary desire. And the ones that don't consider that, generally in my observation there's something that isn't quite right in the way that they're constituted or looking at the world ." - Jordan Peterson[1] [1] [this video]

Cites lostboomerang · 2022-08 · on “Why aren't smart people happier?”

Jordan Peterson (I know, I know...) made an interesting remark in one of his lectures recorded long before he became famous: "Once you make about $60,000 a year for your family, but let's say for you personally, additional income makes zero has zero impact on your quality of life." [this video]